Phyreblade’s guide to Altairs retractable blade (From Assassins Creed)
I had been considering doing a piece on retractable blades for a while, and was finally motivated to do so by a post I recently got in my suggestion box. A reader, Zach B. commented about his build of an under-hand retractable blade, similar to what the assassin Altair uses in the game Assassins Creed:
In general, I love blogging about game weapons with real-life counterparts, but obviously, this game is pretty new out, so there are no official (or unofficially) produced rip offs… err production “replicas” of the Altairs retractable blade to be had for review.
However, since the games release, there have been numerous attempts to duplicate this weapon, and while YouTube is replete with videos of home made “Assassins Creed” blade contraptions, I noticed that, due to a lot of conflicting concept art from the developers, there is actually a lot of confusion about this blades design.
So, in typical blade nerd fashion, I thought I’d try to sort things out. Not necessarily to replicate the game blade, but rather to come up with a practical, real life design for such a weapon. Now let me preface the following by saying that, for your average dweeb, walking around with a spring loaded blade up your sleeve is an incredibly bad idea. There is a reason why these kinds of weapons were not common, even when they were legal. They are highly impractical, not to mention that they are an accident literally waiting to happen.
But, for those of us who like to live on the edge, love the aesthetics and the mechanical challenge of designing wacky weapons, and are insane enough to try, (notwithstanding the very real possibility of self impalement), I’ll go on. Proceed at your own risk. But remember, Altair has no ring finger. Think about it… People, please, do NOT try this at home…
Mounting and Placement.
For any wrist mounted blade to have the stability and strength to be used effectively, it must be properly mounted. This means a solid (inflexible, like steel, very thick/stiff leather or wood) mounting platform, preferably formed to the shape of your forearm, and a minimum of two straps to keep it in place, one at either end of this base. Your best bet would be to use the entire length of your forearm, with a minimum of two straps, one placed at the wrist and the other just before the elbow, to maximize the weapons stability. Altair has this covered quite nicely, as he used full length bracers with three straps:
Now looking at this concept art for the game you’ll notice that the blade seems to come out from the spot where Altairs ring finger ought to be. In the game, this is not the case, and is entirely impractical for any real life assassin, (unless they are a mutant, like Wolverine) so we will disregard this little snafu, and assume the blade is mounted under the forearm, and not actually in his hand. Next stop, blade design.
Blade Support and Design
Now here is another area that has been thoroughly bolloxed on account of multiple conflicting concept art. In the game, Altairs blade uses a nested rail delivery system, where the blade is housed inside of a set of nested sleeves, which run on an internal guide rail. The sleeves extend sequentially, outermost rail first, then inner rail, and finally the actual blade, once both sleeves are fully extended and locked:
Assassins Creed Blade with double nested sleeves
Now here is where the confusion begins. Depending on which art you are looking at, Altairs retractable blade either has two sleeves, or one sleeve:
Assassins Creed Blade with single sleeve
Now nested sleeve systems have the advantage of being able to fit in a retracted form factor that is only a fraction as long as the weapon is when fully extended. This means a much more compact housing. However this comes at a cost. The added complexity of automating the extension and retraction of multiple nested sleeves require smaller, more delicate parts, necessarily manufactured to very close tolerances, that would make the whole mechanism more prone to failure.
In fact, in my opinion, the ideal system would actually use no sleeves whatsoever. And given that you have (and should really use) the entire length of your forearm with which to conceal both the blade and the deployment mechanism, I don’t really see the point of implementing such an elaborate system. Not to mention that a single, fixed-length blade would be stronger, faster, more reliable, and infinitely easier to automate than a shorter blade mounted in multiple sleeves. Which brings us to the our deployment system.
Automation
A very important aspect in the operation of any stealth weapon is an equally stealthy activation mechanism. Preferably one that can be activated ‘hands free”, in a manner of speaking. And Altairs got one. In the first concept picture above, we can see that there is a little harness attached to Altairs pinky from the blade housing. This is intended to be his blades activation switch:
Assassins Creed Blade – Ring/Cable Activated
However, in one of the promotional vids for the game we see Altair having to press a button to release a switch that activated his blade:
Assassins Creed Blade – Button Activated
Now truth be told, this button is probably one of the more complicated ways of doing this. Indeed, you can see that it’s actuation would be counterintuitive, as it would require you to place your fingers in the path of the out going blade in order to activate it. In any case, from the numerous videos of him in action, we can see that Altair simply flexes his hand away from the blade to activate it, so we can assume that a button based activation system is not used. A finger ring cable is a much more flexible way of doing this, and the one I’d go with.
So far as the actual deployment mechanism is concerned, if we stick with the simple, single blade (no sleeve) approach, we can actually use a very compact dual spring double action out-the-front switch blade mechanism. They are simple, reliable and fairly easy to implement. I won’t go into schematic detail here, as it would extend an already excessively long post, however, I can point you in the direction of a buddy, and fellow knife fanatic Sinza, with whom I run a forum (Exotic Automatic) with a lot of helpful diagrams, as well as a break down of some common double action OTF mechanisms. Go on over and check his site out if you have the hankering for a more technical look into the topic…
The Blade.
Finally, we come to the point (pun intended) of all this, which is the design of the actual blade itself. As I mentioned earlier, I favor a single blade approach, with no sleeves, housed in a simple, dual spring loaded guide rail, in the style of your regular OTF switchblade. So far as the blade itself is concerned, we would need to meet a few specific criteria. The blade would need to be long enough to penetrate thick clothing and still puncture vital organs, thin enough to be able to slide between a persons ribs, yet thick enough to resist bending. Throw in double edges, and a sharp point, and we have a winner.
Interestingly, these are the same basic design specifications of the contemporary Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife design, which I will talk about in a future post. Nonetheless, this should give our assassins blade all of the required features to be a terminally effective assassination tool… And that’s all I’ve got to say about that…
- Assassins Creed – Trailer 1 – Trailer 2
- Assassins Creed – Official Site
- Exotic Automatic – Forums
- Sinza Knives – Knives
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hi there everyone, i recently stumbled over your blog and have been trying to catch up so i can join the festivities. has anyone considered high tech, as in gears and cogs? it seems that if you were able to fabricate a blade that forked with teeth on the inside of the fork with a cog on the inside, then either a simple motor or something to the effect of a watch spring, or even two opposing to facilitate the double action, leaving only one cog engaged at a time but setting the other spring taut for the next task, extinding/retracting, you would have a pretty reliable double action mechanism, and given the proper tools to fabricate the parts, you wouldnt sacrifice the size issue. please criticize so i can see if this is a feasible design before i try to do it. i hope that thi design made sense.
hey el estrago,
Yes, as a matter of fact we have actually considered a few mechanically complex designs, If you visit http://sinza.forumotion.com we have a number of threads that have diagrams of different mechanisms. We haven’t done any with motors as of yet simply because most of us prefer the old school way of doing things. The mechanics of it is part of the fun for us. But yes, a motor driven blade would be quite easy to implement.
im simply thinking about functionality, a motorized design would allow for a discreet trigger, engineered correctly you’ll have nearly silent deployment, and plus you dont need to worry about the the thing closing on you. but the trigger would have to be in a place where a discreet motion could trigger it but have some sort of safeguard against accidental deployment.
Weeeeelll I dunno. Motorization is actually somewhat difficult to silence. You need custom cut gears, as well as some kind of sound proof enclosure in order to avoid motor/gear whine… But from a practical stand point it would be much easier to design a motorized system as opposed to a purely mechanical one.
As for discrete triggers, those are not limited to electrical circuits/switches, there are a variety of ways you can do that mechanically as well…
It’s quite good and i like it. but can you please send me more on these kind of game weapons and the mechanism of the retractable blade please. tyty!
hi im back sorry that i have not posted in ages but ive been busy.
any way i read what has been wrote sice august and there has been talk about a motor which powers the blade to fly out and ive been thinking that for somthing that powerful for it to power the blade that fast would need a reletivly sized motor and gears mounting all this up and encasing in a soundproof case so there is no gear whine as phyreblade said the thing would end up being rather big.
._. pretty sick I want to build one! god am i late for the party.
i dont think these gears need to be big and bulky like you say phyreblade, im not talking about something that can extend into concrete, it should only require enough juice to extend and retract. i dont think the motor would need to be a diesel engine to do that. but i agree on the noise issue but from a mechanical standpoint, you may still get some noise. i just had a thought that may satisfy both of our tastes, pneumatics and hydraulics, through air or oil displacement (think the cow thing in no country for old men) and use the rod as opposed to the blade design, although a semi hollowed out blade could work, have a small pressurized chamber thats soul purpose is to propel the blade into the locked position, release the lock and the air sucks itself back into a less pressurized state and the blade re-locks. the actual system i think will be tough but a man of your mechanical inclination im sure can figure it out.
ive made one already just havent made copys so i can sell them when i do 100$ ea on ebay
hey have always been looking for this type of weapon please let me know if there is any that has been produced and is functional and where can be purchased not all wars are fought overseas
Hey, im kinda new to the sword making business and i have just persuaded my dad to help me make altair’s retractable sword, and i was wondering if you guys could send me any helpful info/blueprints whatever. Thanks
my email is da_snot@hotmail.com
here’s the thing some people gave been arguing about, if you get at least 2 inchs of penetration, you’re fine just about anywhere on the body, seeing as the low pressure veins are located 2 inchs below the skin surface, if you can walk past some one while swinging your arms you can flick out the blade, swing your arm slash a tendon, a vein, or an artery. i also disagree with some of these debates of gears, seeing as the larger the gear, the more friction, the more force need to propel the blade or sleeves, and if you make a multiple nested blade, if you notice he can rest his “stub”(lol) on the flat of the blade easily, and not worry, but if you look closer, it’s not a blade, it’s a flat sided nest. i do gree with the mechanical stand point, it’s less likely to fail.
sorry about that, i had an interruption, anyways the mechanical stand point is that it’s quiter, it’s less likely to fail, it’s more reliable, and the silencing thing is that he wears a leather glove, absorbs sound and vibration(the cause of the noise in the first place) and once again the nesting, it’s a triple nested system, with the housing, the extension and the blade as said before, and housing is considered a sleeve since it’s slides, but only half as much as the others, and the gauntlet, that’s the original housing i guess.
good luck, sorry about spelling mistakes, i’m getting a little tired it’s 10:45 here and i haven’t gottn much sleep lately, i’m n ot 13 yet, but i’m going to be in a week, and this is an awesome form i couldn’t wait to state my points before i forget them, and thank you discovery channel for the seemingly useless info
i got something to say about ur blog not any comments…Altair is missing a finger because its the mark of an assassin(remember Lucy in Abstergo industries showed Desmond her hand and she was missing a finger to show him she was undercover)not an accident caused by his blade.Also holding the blade in place of where the finger was is very practical, better grip. Oh this is about a comment about the no extension hidden blade(blade full length of forearm) thats not practical because you cant hold it without getting cut.
what if you could take a cosh(police baton) spring system apart and mount it from the top would that work? please get back to me
Greetings, I am a fellow blade Fanatic and have only recently discovered your articles. I hace a question for you. How would your design of the blade Be retracted? Please reply at your leisure and expect more from me soon. -@
well phyeblade can go into more detail than i can but theres a couple of ways to do it, you can use a double spring action which uses the tension of the first set of springs to deploy the blade to the open position, which in turn puts tension on the second set of springs, allowing the blade to retract after being released from the locked out position. the springs need to be radioed so that one set of springs has nearly identical tension to the other set otherwise one set will overpower the other and the mechanism will only work one way.
another way to do it would be a gear and motor system, this is a little more technical, but all you need is a small two way motor that will actuate a set of gears, now the blade will have to be completely fabricated for this to work, with small teeth for the gears to run along, when you activate the motor the blade should extend into the open and locked position. unlocking the blade and activating the motor in the opposite direction probably with some kind of toggle switch, will bring the blade into the closed and locked position. i am a firm believer in locks on knives because (and especially with the syse we are talking about) it can prevent a false activation and gven the sensitiveness of the location of the devise its for the best.
now the last one i can think of and my personal favorite, a hydraulic or pneumatic system. the reason i like this system so much is that it has very few moving parts and because of that will probably be the quietest system of deployment. what i have in mind is a three valve system, you have the first chamber filled with high pressure air, and the opening of the valve located on the blade side you will deploy your blade or rod or whatever your fancy. then once the air is in the open blade area, you open the second valve allowing the high pressure air into the next chamber causing a void in the blade chamber, which will let i retract. the final valve will let the air back into the first chamber so it is “at the ready” so to speak, and if you dont want it “at the ready leave the air in chamber two.
while this is my favorite design it is probably the most expensive, dangerous, and impractical of the three, to make the valves work, they would have to be one way valves, and you’d have to figure out a way to keep the air pressurized because once the air is no longer pressurized and is acclimated to the volume of the chamber its i it won’t go through the valve anymore. and eventually the air will distribute equally in all four chambers and your blade will be useless. and lets not discount the fact that if high pressure air is propelling this devise then your ratio to space versus volume would have to be pretty dead on, or there wont be much to stop its deployment, and even if you encounter a force that can, your wrist may be the path of least resistance and snap! and on the flip side, not enough air and it wont deploy at all.
I just thought I’d let you all know there is an unlicensed (or maybe licensed) hidden blade as well as a few other pieces of Altair’s equipment at this site
http://www.strongblade.com/prod/sbmu-ac-extensiondagger.html
http://www.strongblade.com/nav/assassins-creed.html
Guys….
Phyreblade keeps telling you where to go for ideas and designs.
Head over to our forum…EXOTIC AUTOMATIC http://sinza.forumotion.com
Sure, it has my name in the title, but I consider Phyreblade to be my partner. Lord knows he’s done a ton of work over there!
I should be getting the Gauntlet Stiletto in the mail today. I’ll post pictures and do a review of how it’s made. I made one about a year ago…fun toy. Nothing like a big spring loaded blade strapped to your arm!!You know that feeling you get when you open a switchblade or shoot a gun…think of a cross between the two. Snapping a blade out over your fist is a RAD feeling.
I have also done a review on the ‘Assassin Extension Blade’ which is the commercial version of Altair’s wristblade from Assassin’s Creed. Took it apart to show how the inside guts work. Lots of pictures.
The only thing I ask is don’t just talk about it…build it. Just build something, see how it works, and build another making each one better. We have TONS of ideas and drawings…what we need is more people just building and tinkering. I can’t do it all….
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I need to make a correction on here. Retractable blades are not illegal in any state. The carrying of concealed weapons without permits is not allowed in 48 states, and in California and other highly regulated (and un-constitutional) states, some weapons are permanently forbade for concealment and some for public carry such as nunchaku, switch-blades, etc…
But the owning and transport of these weapons is perfectly legal. and in better states that are Shall Issue, you could acquire a permit to conceal them, and other far more practical weapons such as cane-swords.
There is a book you can buy at many gun stores which covers your permit/carry regualtions in all 50 states and DC, it’s blue and white and basically the title reads “Laws and Regulations concerning firearms and concealed weapons in the United States.” It’s a general book, but I recommend it.
You cannot expect to keep your freedoms if you do not know what they are and what they should be.
Also, if you join the NRA, you receive legal assistance in these matters. I think, though, you better know if your state has felony laws for concealed carry because if so it may not be worth the battle… you lose all your rights over something stupid when honestly if you know what you’re doing, a ballpoint pen is deadly enough.
Further, see if you can guess the only two TRUE free states where there is no permit requirement – as it should be (did you know conceal carry permit laws have their roots in racist anti-immigrant legislation back in the 1800s?).
Alaska and Vermont.
“…the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
iceman is correct.there should never be laws against weapons period.
“…the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
-no truer words have been spoken
as i was lookin thru the sites to find an assassins creed wristblade i stumbled apon a place that sell real replica wristblades for somewhare around $120. THATS BADASS! so now im savin up money and scroungin bucks from parents, friends , and sometimes even total stangers to buy 1
oh! the site? http://www.strongblade.com
thx phyreblade
Come to think of it, using a sleeved blade (like in the game) might actually be an adequate safety precaution. That way, the blade won’t be exposed while within range of the palm and the fingers.
Just my 2 cents for an old post.
from my view, you have this pretty well thought out. i just might try and build this.(if possible)
It’s buildable, though not exactly a simple design. Unless you take a few shortcuts. but that just wouldn’t be right… :/
i whant that blade i’m a huge assassins creed fan
Hey i dont really know much about these kind of mechanisms but i was thinking, maybe the ‘button’ activation isnt acctually a way to draw the blade but more of a ‘safety’, so you could press the button to completely lock the blade so that no matter what movements u perform it will not activate, you could the press the button again and it would ‘unlock’ the blade therefore allowing you to use the ring/cable to activate and draw the blade. Similar to the safety on a gun or drill etc.
Just a sugestion and i have no clue if it would work, but just give it a thought and please let me know if its a good idea or a comnplete failure.
Thanks
Hey Clint,
yes, I indeed, I’ve actually thought the same thing on many occasions. The sleeve really doesn’t seem to have any other practical function protection besides perhaps protecting the wielder from the exposed edge, and possibly adding rigidity to the weapon as a whole. But the other thing is, there is a much easier way to address both problems that would not have required the added complexity of an articulated sleeve.
It would have been simpler, for instance, to simply make the blade much thicker, and round off the edges of the first 3 or 4 inches of the blade… It would have resulted in the same level of safety, and much greater strength. Perhaps the only drawback would be that the blade could end up being a little less stable within the housing than it would have been with the extra steel of the extension and it’s base, which would have provided a lot more additional stability within the housing when fully extended.
Actually, that extra stability and strength may have been the whole point of the sleeve. The protection might simply be an added bonus…
ive been all over the internet and i havnt found anything on a two way hidden blade one that will go in and out if anyone has a tutorial for me it would be greatly appreciated
email: gregratsch@hotmail.com
thanks